wilmington gazette _ ' n'fv dollars per annum j pub lth h ktj w~e*e k i y >. yal lma n lv [• (. l t h li h sda y o e c r m b e k r iroi vol v \ o 2(:o general aflembly debates 01 thr penitentiary rill u the houfc of ccmmons nev 30 1801 the hoiife huvii'it uncording 10 d?r e fc " i t f hi n a commute of the whole 1'oiift mr m>t hcwi in the cr.iir ihe i s read ih'ough the n ar..l fe mr iv ii ilic fr.imc ( f rhc ni ), roffll thr rifun i v«v h(>:ic a dillinctiort b i m c 0 i-be firfl and cc.ii-d ()<.- rce i ■■ ■ i w fll b«ijl 11 i'c pdnilh'd ii c •! : t t r in t r fi.iii ii 1 .'. ; ii ni r hi murder of tht ;■ ii ii (!••■.' is g»nei i p y;l and puniftj ; l wi ii c h bn in <..■•■■■ of hfl fecund de • frff mofl fi m-h !\ . ■ ipes ; fmce bo.'h !■>•• in;r il'k puniihab'i wuii^l-a : , j'irie alw-vi i f n ■ • i mil a he n ri iiiiiiidit il y than punifli them wichdoth f 1 j t«>'i t r*riwn hong 11 n hi r c^-iii i ti :•. 1 rid ' c 1 1 ian h ■ 1 11 a an ii i^i j ■ ; i i 1 '; ki u.jj ih i n nl conli em.-m ioi pr ton cum icji.rf of inn her of ihe ecumj dc fre m t.i .)■■• rr.ovch 10 fi the bla ik wiih r.ii , if in fi ■'••, or m i .■ fimi if ceivyean mi ciha 1 ( 11 iif-tf .) 1 hope ,: g-n'lt-t n fium ii fl oij w •! confen o xifiih ili liii;-il n:i of i propofed pu 1 t ihmen . hn-'k when * man i ror.vi/.ji.-d ' \ ef'lv kind f murdfr fpiicifii*d in this feftion an t.'i wi.rh h 1 1 liab'e by h • ». ef^.u la ■> forf.'i ivs iif<r ought not to cl'cape '* 1 '■ in 1 1'mnii 15 of five years i hope l!i lij.iii wi ii be filled wuh not els than ic.t i 1 "' hi re than fif ren year j mr la ni j ock he diiraiion of im w.fonrncn r im h laws if pcanfylvania and , virjuiij on thris j ; bin ! have.no 00 i jeccon o the period bi *« tiid.-j 1 i ther.atore wi d vv my m i ion mr ii.nixjw.onh i wifli rive jjfrt'iemjn from cik'wufi tn bi"n.l ijis it»ocii)r and make the i.mii uf pui.ioiib ni n;u u than tyn nor oioie h,mi wen y tt^m 1 nf cfiitti in lie commiitee a aware hai ill rourt will hjvc llie liifrrciion in lake he fhortrft 11m 1 .-, if iliry rhink p vr but if he ott'«nce s [\* jrant i 1 hi k tc lunged will 1101 be io i he;ivv » punilli.nent mr tdi...in i mud exp'ain the cour i i yt x no . 3 ih • gen i.:rn.in frwm ncw-hano ' yer fuppofe have a:iv difcteiion with e peel 10 ihe u n i ili men of offende<8 uiule ihii • jaw ; 11 is iln j iy ilui will avc this difc c '' lioti j the pur.iftiment for ran leing unj«r con \ llli i.im.»i mr tj in moved 10 ti ■; up he blank ivi h ! i not els hin gh iiur mace than twemy-udc ! ml alexander tl-c crimes which ii kj hie o jit of bis cl life nf ilic bill to punidi ough , when proved 10 he pumfhed in ihe i feve efl manner 5 bu 1 think as cbarg of his kind are eafi'y imdc ind arc dii'fi'cnlt ct rix and it < if:s nuy occur which r , do'.ib fui vr tt ij iiudc oiiglli t be aw ■ n << lilie jury h'oi tv.'bgh wh djlie fa<t<s elm 1 - . ly jjtroved ii ough 10 be rinifhed eo'ijliy ■ u/uh ioiimi 1 oi ; <: - fecund d|g tr t ■ e f when ilii i not ihe uli i eh ftn-flimon woald ''•.• piopei 1 p:u|iofe th#efo/e har he j tr»nk t't fi'led ii|i v.i;n no •'•..'! l.iti h ee | i nor iikiis than u 1 en yci j mr w«lkcr when f.t ii.ll-l p u ifli \ men we d.i i wi;h a vie nr»i oiih to dg ci '• uiberi don conimitiing nilar h i c .• b xt , kilo to reform the criminal i propofe liav the j icrm fliail be not ids fhai^vei 1,1,1 aiojc hum ; if ecu yean if a ny u noi lefutnied in even yean hs neyepilli mr a exander headily ag'ee ihai ishen the t.ici is coiapfety proved feven ursir is no 100 long iimpfilonrueiii ■, even u.i impi ii->i lien 1 01 if would nol be too brig lini 1 in of tjiion • ihki in 10 in itanic oilglit ihe p'irvyti<-'nn uuifrr b;r act hi be d u 10 i qall hi.j,e of furvivii.e nurni exci'p v»hen tipumlhioeni i for life und in tbii acroun 1 ,) ihink iti 1 mi of ten | he.rs whith ki beejraad ihe i-ail punib j^.*i;t rir minder ur e fecood d.-^'te ii 100 pno.lorg a periud lth;ov out ibi binl a ifforfinjj fi ai eti a hiougboui thc'bll i 1 icipcct to ihe»cr l . e under ti-r.l'a ra ion i b •■> r » k in up ough '^ c ' left to ihe difcie ion t he jury so*tt'd judge 1 ihe iggn w ft i.r o her ci/o»fls t c tif the 1 «: •. i mr blood wo i j ':» in t»piu : on with ! 1 gentleiuan ff sal>&ury iiiai ihqngh i f ciime ufidelr l oefaiion is of the n ij ■ • j»ii.iuii , j wv ' i ; oihe il.ii'i . ■!:> bj tiinin^fa pr:->,>f in fuchcates much uii ude oujr'i ii bs g'«ri-n o ihe jury we know ;>.■ in v,h.\i winner i mm rmv be charged n t whjl difficulty m 4 y • icnj an extenuaii ■ . where a mm 11 mnoc-tv m . alexander agreeing in ihe umrj of puivih n mi propofed hy mr walker the i 11 !•■. ■ wr c '•• ft i i t tl'4 cr.in.niu;e ihcn p jocerded to fill ihe b'ju'vs i hou d -'» i e ill ibrv cjtnt u h icinl ifftion which provides * puniflitpeai for mr l'.i ii i.iicl lii hrciidn embrace * new enme iijour tw a rrf nt tlicre ii no piniflimerr in our s'aie f>r ,» mm whi k - al negotiable paper o liv kind hjre inen tniiiv'ii jno i ih'ink i bi righ ihi a mt'i wlio lleaij a bond bill ■ >■ :;,> ,. n ig : i ro l puniflicd fcjuai'jr with u wbu fletli othci pioper y cocnins r ii r 3 fi fetlion which i»r •• - vril»e i pmntvn it t'.ir peifoim mai ii r difmemb ring .' r-r by cut ing or 1 u ■ i ; ii ■ '■>•£>•, p:i ing u'h a'l ev ;:. ung f n ca . :, ;. .. - i h b a.ik fo he piinifli j 1 b»in opofed o be fi''.-d vvirh nor > i two ri'ii in ir - i.'n'i en v.ir vj i ■' fnid 5 roi • « ha ihorteft i ■ "')■• i p.lil ;» i i it1ti ii'.nnj in.iy he <>> mg i fo in t.mc ai < idciiis f his kinj i ro oh i ii • * . unuiii ei in tr of p.illi n erlniu i x 1 ted ov he tn'f n<luej of he k'f'on ni iv-<l 1 t ipvt lix in i ilj mit'i i iomk-nt might ljc a liiifi i.n pun tlwicn in lime c.ifc i , mr w w jmei i m in favour of he nme of punilhitien p'opolfd by i!ii a «'■' i this bill thinking i hv no m?am o leavv forth olfnce if it were confids ci t w!u a difagieeabe fi nation it j.lc a t mn to be ihm diiivembircj the pun>fhm«n would be thouflht li-lficiently ligd ; f or li oliiig a man iad loll his car in fuch jii iffrir 1 te m.mncnt he goes abroad fufpiciuu rcfu »|> n kiim ma..y oguei lofc iliffir ears aj a fuiicilure i r ibeir brines ; dnd a nun who h s bcrii thus uujutiibablv maltcaed by mo l!i , in ii ra iy a ce iii.-.iu about him yherevei he jnc •„ li lcw i u i |, e j ail (, ... k ; 1 man ni . t.'oin 1 am firprized thai thi = loold e ircaied a a irirling oifence ex i ing one or iwo fai , ii i in my opt ion one x>i the gn^ioil can fix nmnthi r « yfar itip ii'otimeot be fulfiricn uni(h leni u:r an uft>mice lu is fo dt-tlnidive to le peace and >; oj governnsnt of fonei-y p iure y ik . 1 1 1 nun uifc a mender hi jnay m bo abu af envjr ■:» o labftli fo ■ the i ,-■; nn i hirnfclf or f unilv . bcfi,ir o.i leavj a penal y can fca reefy hi laid or offn if vr.ifh u c occafmned by fuch brutality 1 ii drfg.'tcefnl o fociety u fee mefl h^h'ing ike ci r 1 wild beafu i hope ihi houfe vi i ever confeni to a le.l pfiniqiineni than iwu tars impi ifonment for fo hcnioui an < ii n e walke 1 ', i m no advocate for fight itjft > ; i '> i before oblt-ivr.i i believe ac ct .'•■ ■ i tbi kind loirietiincs nappcn ( wnh oin .'>■ iiucii ion of he nir«nding party bn r from i ,.: mi jlli..n huit mighi be as im m rc'v n |> njerl if ) gr ha a man v mi ii.-libu-i c y commi i tn ct of hil kind would go i)i lie , and take a man's hfs such a man ought to be f-vrre'y puniflied ; bu injuriet of this kind aic freqticn.ly done withoui lir lead malice afore hough or evil ii en km ik:;h,i[)s in a la e of intoxication , and kioweve proper it mi»h be opuniih fuch offences hr did noi with la ice tfatfm punifli cd lo beayily as propoled by r hi « bill he thought not irfs than one nor more thin five y.«i , would bi bciter period ih*n ihofe pre poi'ed m cahirnu the horrid cntnci now in;ijfr cutilul r.umn are by our prelenl law punifhabie v i h death ; and fne'y a grime which has heretofore been conlidcred by o.ir icgiua nrc as of equal magnitude with m:ir d-r of h 1 fecund degree ou^hc to be pihiiflisd wnh a lung r imprifoflmem iban fix monibt at mr c abarrus'.i requert the law oa thit iu'.jzta was rc»d j it a;'prari io nif c<m inurd m r < c thai ■ lie j'unifin:ient pmprjfcj b r the mover of ihi.i bill is by no meant 1 to k'reai many times a man would rather fuffci th than be maimed hv ihe lofs of a m<.ni!ie . ii.l'ulcs it will be obfenred that the act is to be commiued wi'h malice afmethought ; rid i am pcrfuaded lhac r.o c*nvicyion will tvci lake place wheietbii docs not apj,ei ; aivd intieadol il;e punilbroest being twoseavy vvl'.cn i!iis tppeart 1 ilioi d liave no objedtun io irctt»le ii mr tatum ii has te=n tbferved iha ihe/c ottcnen may be cumui.tied wktn • man it ntex'citcrft a dm l.fi nun ! n,ik up c;n i a voluntary madman if orunkenncft wirt to excuffl t h i'e c ime we hould liave , ■ thitifaild of llcni rortiini cd in a v -» r ', if | 8,1 mender i 1 ' thil k i.rl had rohitnrud an r nil-tie when ci unk he ought to he p'-iinf/ied ! in >■ i ic vc y f u ir ! m larev i he hi 1 ! now lmirr fen nd»rnion fli.<u\l pafj nti s iv 11 would i 3 v be x'roin v i p oper ih<i ix in •'•«* ! h i id !><• a i »-. an jr<ju»ie punifll n •••■' inr h i iuli r ' ■ r;i*i rlv in.l'in r;(j a ."•■!•■•'. in i ■ mi'inri 4 •■ i'o'-i in ik 1 bill rhis crnn , n itv mmon < oiiiim very : i ' r c fh.>r of niiil'.t ; i.j { mil ili.u iwo year i ntirlfenin.'ni iv'ii be ilis icalt puinfhinciu i nil 1 d in ' !<• i » cafe ' m aimiih.'r if he g?nivuisn f-om rirht oth bo ii d charged the bi i with 4 w..i o mi y a«vaidtr ih cri'ii under j i ' •• li ! ' > i«>i i ul .'.: en i j to he wo dmg • ' '■• vt 1 i ii • \> m have obleive ihit >■<• i ink iir h,u vi ■■! , aic noi jiiflificd by ■ 1 fie 1 bill i r not omempla(e hepmiifli i r.'.*ii of a i accidenul maiming ii mull bi fio.ir 1 wih malice iforcthought lying in | l»stt " ac jnfj ftirely no man would fay : ha th puni hm«n r p^opofed is i to heavy i whe'i ihii la the caftf the ihe f^ndeman lu ! h«icf»r certainly been nr aakcn i would b n infiili io h unde handing of hi c»m j in i re ui p d]3bfe to seif-n ih pmniliu r of t ie < ff-in rs here defenbed i h been fre cj icniljr charged upon h son hern states hn ihey conn enance the itihumiin patiic«s of figi itrg gouging c and ho hoped ihe lonimiiiee wo i d ih w their iecided sbho rewee i>f fiioh i lidicfs by tilling i.p u b inks as propufeii i oir c n j fl i u n was pu an i carried the biankt w_"r ihcn fii^'iito lh l/iili f ft i action without remark the hue in im ' • f-'rtiun ov r ad 1 above iiunifoii u.ut fvr ', : ie f^r a feconj <. if nee of fo /. rv n j.lt j •(,.) w propol i io be ill ed ih out huu i df^d puiind wlirn j m . bloodwonh rema'ked thai w'lere a mnn is n be c >, h j lor life he thought the ti might l»e left m v jn.i s tits orfri ure of an hund ed pound < i * fmall or fo a ffc'.-id oiienre of ibe i-riint he e men ionod ; and s i it no p bible iha a man with » family w.il commit offenses of t r i i •. kind ih otfcii dsrs will have no occagon lot htir money in jirioin i mf ti'om the man wlno com ni"i a fe ' crtttd i»ffence of ihu kind i ti be jik u of tine vrw of ihc v orld forever if he b s i man of property he hue t a lig'it our ai-.d lie o-ijjh to bs finfd even more lun he fum meni oned if he h«ve no property ,!>■ hue will i,ot of courf be p:iid m . bloodworth viiiidrew his oppr>fiiion mr williamfon propole<i iha it he of find r have no firm y all iu p ope it ihali bcforfciicd to the sian mr walker i am u'rr the gentleman from mcv.hjiiovf r did not mil a mo ji on hi fubjrrt 1 am clearly againft in iicavy a fine being laid upon a mad who is condemu ed to be imprifoned fi>r life the exclufion forever from fociety is fu el puniflitisiu e nough if ihe olfender lu»e property he will have fome connexions i whom it may i be icrvueab e and to whom it may more it . ly i than ' u lie sia'c mi williatnfon m.wcd o an>~nd th fpc tion under coiifideraiun by adding ha if hepet(r>n thus toiniiiitt'ng his fecond olf-nce have n faniiiy all his proper y ll»<il be for ifeiied io the siatc ' mr al-'xandcr i think the femlemin had better d«ler making his araendmen unlit i ths bill comes into the lioi;fc ; for hough a mm migh have no family he rnij'i hive an a^tii jaihrr lit mother or other co.incctioii io poflefs hii property mr willumfon confemadt i 1 lie fbui fucceeding lei,v.on wers pjff^-d o ver without rcnirk in he jjj vmncb ilitclts hai perloiit oiitincd in ihe penitent ; na y ihall be l«-pt on •' low and coarfu die j mi walker propofej an amendment tir ' thought a «•*■ fuihcieni ihat ihefc unfonui ie ; men confined in ihc peniier^iary wcr dr i prited of tbeir liberty ; hey nugt tiot to be | llarved ; ha ihry ought to have wkv v as i,e j ceffary o make litr in iutne dfj^iee lo.'ewbls i he hoped ihc woids on low r.d coaile idie would i iliutk ou ! r tatotn i is io my wifc hu mrn i coniined in ihc iv-nuen iary-houfe bioum be i harved i usonld have no objedisn to ikf ivioid vhtufemt being uffd inliead ol w r • it k?t will isitilv i!k gcnilawan ri-:^i i'.u i i.ici l<r\d mr wv4er igr»ed 10 ihii jro . ti <>», whi li s f«f i f h the qneflion for filing s b 1 nk which a i.xie ermine ilie liiua ion f ihe ptjiii«n imy bring n<le emtfmeration mr ii ai id c had nn jmicu'tr f|i i r vie v , mr dickfr>n rl o-tgh th r v-r o no tt be furl a id m..\rd hai tht iuwu q fajreiit v it b ihe fi union mr / d r 1 b ir it void k left ijo f s through the br i and t««ve he ft 111.1 i mi of he builavg undetermined f>r t p fen . i do not iti.nv fie nwn of i'jyei.c v.l'f h m i proper fi a in for ih m mr fifher i v>ve • hat the of sme e flui k out from tht peifon 1 ; bkikj a amhorifed to purchafe land c it is fmr he i j ronfideniil pu lie nffi er ha he i rni likr tlie cv»mij roller and turafsrer tdogcher paid ot his fervicm t>y la'nry he depends chiefly on the fees of his oltiie for daymen lie oughi the ef.re ei her n br 4l'o^ed for hit l vicei or iiruck uut of il bill mr faiorn mv rw in raenuo.iirg ihefj jfsn lem«n w«s that b ing ffic « in w!)ook • k!c s a e jilacps gr«»f contidencf they mtgho bs will tuilled with ihe bufin », and employ in ih hi wnu'd prevecit unnecrh^ry fjipenre it will i no n eat u on le « hem living ia ij her ar ibe lea of covert nen , and any tpence ih^y at at would be rcpa d i ih-iu phe trull in iny i pinion would b mmh l)e ler ar-.d cheaper fu fi ! ed by ihrm ih . by p iva'e gcntlenicr rcfijing in diffe em parts of ihe sir mr dirk ton jh hir had no o'jcflion to withdraw his mo ton for ihe piefcn . m . fifhcr 1 ie aubhc ii is true hn j^rrit ronfidetice i.i the ol}ici*r rwnni in ihe b ii ; oil i iliink he ecre ly h bsonefs choairb a pitfent wi hou this i'hc t ei tu er a c iui oler h*ve ihei ■ fervices uho y c(>.'?;i'-nuicd b f a y ; bm ii tertiary is i ha.e before fl»!<-d i differently fi'ii i-d and his bill propofea to give feun nu compen (*(■■! i whitever fir the ervicrj laid upon him .>' r vajke . li it pchaps improper at pretent io hx upon any particular genilrm 9 10 ioiiti.»jr ibis b in f lersips it mttjhi be w>ti 10 hive connniifionen ipppoin td i on d j.c-itii tun of be lie however j c»c ccrnfidence miglr b placed in ihe officei mentioned 1 do not think i wou'd bi » o g • he proper to leave ikii bufineu wholly to tnem mi cu'p;r.?prr pfcl'srv^d if it w?re ncrrf ij y to name ay oilier perfons 11 migiii be june on the fecond reading of the i ill lie bought i 11 neccff.ry 0 d-eli ti|.on this pi in s prcfeni mi taiom the jjrfaiefl objeftidm ra'fcj 0 pull hit rnrndmcni of he fei,a la v '■'• nude on ihe fcore of expenie knowing 1l1.1t hi would he he cafe i twve » i along had in view the ftvjnf of exprncr th clo ve nor lie<fa er and sicie a t could nicul iog<*ther ai any imc and do bug ieu wi h nt inconf enitnee ; bm if ruitniliioner ri 9 be ajjdmn ed in differ-n pans <> ihe hat they couid not hold hi m e irg wnh.nt confidfiifble ir lb!e &. ipencc ; ami h«ni(jjb 1 am noi afraid of m-e ing spencr wh a 11 it neci-uiry 1 1 ill o avo.d cx;i udi u es i)f e»ny u hr-r t.i d m . moore i ibnogbl tut had go ever his pa t of he bill w ho.i j u g t bi k i'd mv own pa 1 1 n*\c mi o j-iii n tut lh oftuen mentioned in h bi'l h 1 havs be jio«rr of ron admg for lu>lding he houk c bui idoobjt 1 i ihn hxm up on he lii nation i dope ihe b h will pili i liwui naming ihe tituauon of h p,-t.irt 11a y h c and iliai 1 will be aferwadi tixtel by ihe join ba lo of no h hou(e tri.j m>id w concurred wiih ih eft c h hu.,v wee then filled nd he bill j;un ihroii^h without fa ihe remark the committee ho role and the spcikei having refutted he cha.tr ih chairman of ih ciimmitee of the whoie epor ed t:,4 iha c"m nil ee haj according i or.jer confider d ihr bnl and bad m«dc fund y wmendm»nts iheiem which br nd upon he clerk's table um wedrefday next was fixed for taking up u:d amenciaji mi i hi ill was luti on us rcoi.d readms almanacks i or ihe yc.tc i our d 1 802 and a variety of jio"ks !^ c . war ius b uic pfitiur iiumvt