the wilmington gazette number 943 wilmington north-carolina thursday february 23 1815 volume xvi1ii hon mr lloyd's letter ! to the hon john randolph ofrojmokk u'u a member or cont-liesj fllom the i1a.i r v11u.ini canchiikitfram our l,m paper but you tell us thut tne state of new york that great thrivinvr and populous member of the *" southern confederacy unless she is in b stute of utter blinejucss as to her own inter ests will not only leave us to work out our own salvation and make our peace with great britain as we can but will present so irresistabu and hostile frontier to the union ot hart ford as you have been pleased to term it thut even one of her nearest counties if i undet stand you cor rectly would be an over match for same of the states that will compose it v of this gre-at thriving and respec table member of the present union of the southern confederacy never i shall moit certainly speak with respect a.iel even reverence — olher interests in case of a division thut worst of all possible political events except a systematically tyrannical oppression of any part of tile united states — cf what she might be with out us 1 will not comment other than so far as may be necessurj to atate that merely on the considera tion of the point of interest i differ from you toto caslo — while 1 agree with you most fully that the present is not th pe tiod to moot this point at length nor any other connected with it — but s.p king of new-tor on this occasion i cannot forbear to say she is the sinter of our affections the best lu loved of new-england — ahe is bone of onr bone and flesh of our rl:sh — geographically she is without our limits but morally and socially she is completely within them — he has in a great degree the same habits — the same feeling — the same education our population is her popul tion and hcr population j s ours hit greater portol the coun ties of tbe western part of the state of new-york are fettled from new englanri with which from their proximity a constant intercourse is preserveel and all our family feelings and affections are ke.pt in full play she mny bt lured from her path e.t duty tor a moment ly a destructive family ambition and avarice — she may becoijn lor a time the favored child of the bounty of the natunul government — her suck may be fil led with teu tim':s double the portion oi benjamin of the fat things of the land and the fruits of the earth fr.im the table anel the gi anal is ot phu roah but depend upon it should the period ever come when she must make so ungrateful an election — she will not burst the chords of affinity and tear asunder all the best affec tions and tender liens of the human heart she will return sgain to the land of canaan to the household of h'-r friends and her brethren ; — and if division must ensue she cannot pos sibly under any imaginable concate nation of events so far compronsit j licr dignity or stoop from her pride of place as to sink when she might become the leading power the polar star of a northern union into the arriere guard of a southern con federacy or consent to play a second fielelie to pennsylvania or to rank herself as an attendant satellite a submissive though distant follower ol the fortunes ol virginia but i again repeat a discussion of none of these subjects is grateful to me and it will be i fear too appa rent fiom ample internal evidence that i huve treat d of them " invita minerva lor although not exactly impressed into the service i am al most as little of a veiluntccr in it as if 1 had been indeed considering vour letter as adelresscd to the pub lic rather thin to niysejf and to virginia perhaps as much a3 to massachusets i had until a few days since concluded not to reply to it but further reflection and other opinions and believing that the stron gest bond by which the ui.ioa can be sustained is a due aud high ins pect for out selves and for eucii other end that the inhabitants of the seve ral parts of it ought not by their si lt ace tei suffer their respective divi sions erroneously to be depreciated however unintentionally it may have men done huve induced me to tie pit from my original determination iud to address to you the present letter which protracted ns it is i have still endeavored to confine to the more prominent of your remarks for hud i not have prescribed to my self this limit i shoulel have written a volume instead even of a long let ter for when the lightning flushes and irradiates at every extremity ol the horizon a repeated and extended scope of vision can alone embrace it — and if in the course of the reply meire of warmth than i am aware ol has or may attach to any sentiments o.r expressions contained in it ou may be assured they arc entirely eles titute of any personal reference what ever and appertained exclusively to the subject to which they relate ; lor i jun very truly say that in propori j tion as opportunities feir the di ve j lopenient of your character have been presented to me in the same propoition has been presented to me ' in the same proportion has been the increase of my estimation and respect for it unreasonable however as it m.«y seem i must ask y ur patience yet a little longer for a lew further remarks before i close this letter in the course of my unimportant life it has been my stelulous endea vor to avoid personalities whenever a sense of duty did not compel me to avert to them and i would most willingly still adhere to this practice ; but you have presented the la-pre sident of ilu uuited states in so hold releifin your letter that in replying 1 know not wi 11 how to avoid noti cing it without appearing io coneur in the sentiment you have advanced of this venerable gentleman now passed the common age of man anil living in retirement at his seat near this town with his faculties as i un dcrstand unclouded and his heart beating warmly for the fate of his country ,- whose head has been bleach ed by the hoar of fifty winters devo ted to its service and whose intergri ty has never been questioned i have little personal acquaintance not ha ving to my recollection met him iu private society more than once since the expiration of his presidency -. al though i have been honored by his civility but his public lite is fami liar te every tyro among us who has any knowledge of the political histo ry oi his country ami notwithstan ding he may have his foibles aud perhaps partaking of the complexion of bis character some of them strong ones too yet that history will in my opinion afford many brilliant pages in his favor to future biography and many lasting claims on the gratitude of his countrymen whoso sense of their obligation was most honorably manifested by bis elevation to the highest station to which the voice of seven millions of free people could advance him — not by any flaw of thc popular gale for if i duly estimate his character he never possessed the qualities that could either catch the breeze or retain it but as the reward and acknowledgement of a long sc ries of able and faithful and meritori ous services of his administration i ain not now about to speak at large but however discordant public opinion may be on this subject on the earlier part of it i could dilate con-amore — for at no time since our existence as a nation have the best feelings of the american bosom beat moie in har mony with the finest impulses of na tional respect and of patriotism than during the period when their presi dent called un them to avenge the wrongs and insidts of the french republic ; and when he himself stre nuoudy endeavored to lay the broad foundations of a highly respectable and permanent naval and military es tablishment which it continued che rished and duly but moderately ex tended would probably have secured our peace to this day or if war hud not been averted might ere this have given you qucbeck if you wartttd it ; and have provided-.ai much loud for the attention of tbi british ministry in keeping posses sion of basseterree anel port-royal as they now bcem to find in procu ring and retaining that of custine and new-orleans — more than this his system would have made us feel wc were a people — a band o'l bro thers,—>hat we also bad a country to love and a reputation tei emblazon or disgrace — but he built upon the sand — his own missions to prance the great shade in his presidential es cutcheon paralized the public lee ling und weakened the foundations of this goodly edifice while the n cyclopevdiusts of the day the vol taire the russeaus the bidet ots and the d'alemhe-rts of our country b8 s:iilee him — •* and the rain and the floods cumer and tbe winds blew & beat upon that in use and it fell ; anel great was the fall then of " one other political enquiry sb.d alone detain yon rul it is infinitely the most interest g ihut can now be propounded k there no door still open uo avenue yet left bywhii h we may by remanding to the caverna eif ihe dce the iuvu which is even now bubbling at the mouih of tha volcano escape ne.t only the evils of the pri sent hour but secure to us the bles sings of the future ? i think there is i and wiiut mav make it tail more grateful to you i that we are wil , lmg to be indebted to the interest the i liberality the magnanimity of vir • ginia to give it to us — it follows .* abrogate the representation foundc 1 on slaves a provision offensive te freemen at all times and unneces sary to you as vour indu nee would t.e predominant without it • tuke back with it if you please t discrimiusting duties and appor tion the direct tuxes upon thc free white population of the country interdict the future admission if new states beyond ihe old territory e.l tbe united states and within that territory under a populaiiontqu.il at least in point of numbers to ih.it ol the small st state in the union at tlie time of the admission restrict the services of the president to a single term increase that term if it be thought la-si to six years divide the united sates into four great sections fre>meachof which a president shall fee selected in turn and in succession only do this and if the present incum bent cannot command he confidence or elicit the resources of the nation if he can neither make peace nor pro secute the war coerce him with his immediate dependants to retire from other voluntarily as te form if j ou can — constitutionally if you must - elect mr king to the presidency — , place a distinguished virginian in-the | department ul state or when an op portunity may present at the court of st jumcs — or it's ml another ob lation ix necessury to the lupremacy of virginia we will not quarrel a bout names or shades of difference — place judge marshall the pit-sent chief justice of the united states in the chair oi stute and mr king iu the fie presidency and fill up the subordinate departments of the go vernment with men of any party or from any of the states in thc union provided the candidates possessed the requisite qualifications ot talent in tegrity and reputation to command the confidence of th nation this being done should thc commission ers return fiom ghent re-infecta despatch immediately an hone>rable plenipotentiary ta london ; let him offer at a single interview alter the presentation of his credentials the ohv branch of ptace by agreeing to ' terminate a war commenced in rasn ; ness and fully and prosecuted with dcteat and disgrace on the single ba sis of the " status ante beilum if this vi ere accepted we would then go to woik most cheerfully to repair the errors and injuries ol the past and to lorgi ve and forget the authors of them if unexpectedly such terms were rejected let the same vessel that car ried the envoy to europe waft him back again acioss the atlantic when as soon as the result of his mission was known the nation would indig nantly and instantly placing its shoulders at the wheel and fervent ly addressing its piayers to him " who rides upou tbe whirlwind and directs the storm for a successful issue to that coiflest which theii hon est endeavors could not avert man fully meet the issue ; and a struggle thus unavoidable wilh the undivided energies of the country at the com mand of the government i should have a humble but linn reliance it would neither be u long nor a doubt ful one but you will ask how is all this to be effected — i answer great as ll.e work may lie with un huuest leal it is the work only of a few months the legislature of the union is now in session — iliut of your own sluie i or will lie shortly us will be those ol most of the states — let virginia tuke the leud and promptly ude.pt these amendments — let her faithfully and airly use hcr influence with lu r family connexions to follow her ex ample — let her request her scnatora uud representatives at vvgahiugton to have them submitted by congress i to the olher states and thc business i is js surely done au that a conscrip tion siill would become un act ed tlie government if it waited only the sign turt of the president to complete it you may how ver tell us that ynur *■ english blood and there is i none betui j will ne.t suffer you to d this hi cause your enemy says you | shall and massachusetts snys you m'i,t do something like it as the price eif peace with the one und uuioo ". hii the other — how lur you would think it right oi expedient to n-ji-ct ! th se measures which vouadiim per i iuj.s to be necebsu uud indeeei would some of them otherwise be certainly adopted because your sis ter im issaehu:.ett6 accords with ou meist cot rely thut they ought to be but liar happened to expn ss thut o pinkm a little too abruptly i leave lor yout de tter judj lent to deter mine — tiidi iil foreign dictation & especially that ol o.n immediate ene my should be twisted usque a i i'i ternecioiiem 1 agree with you most ii y ; or rather i aelmit it ought te repelled it every hazard short of fcring our pride and oui passions coming in aid ot the policy ol thut enemy to furnish thc weapons ol our own destruction with sentiments of great esteem 1 am dear sir , your very respectful and obedient servant ! james lloyd i boston fan 19 ulo j legislature of ohio j decemiiir 31 | mr burner from the je.int com 1 mittec el pinance reported on mon day last ihe lollowing resolutions ; which were adopted by the house ol representatives resolved by thr general assembly of the stale e.l ohio that the gover i nor be requested to open a correspon | deuce witu the secretary of the trea sury ot ihe united states for tbe purpose of ascertaining on wh-.t con 1 editions this state will be permitted to assume and pay hcr proportion ol tbe direct tux ot the united states m be assessed on this state for the year 1815 — md diat he use his influence to obtain the privilege of disbursing the whole or a part thereof in iii charging claims against the united that now exist or th it maj hereafter accrue in favor ol the citizens of this state for the purpose of enabling the legislature to assume the pay ment without being required to make uii immediate advance resolved that the governor be authorised and requested in case die j uniiedst.tuswili permit the disburse 1 n.e ii i to be made as aforesaid to sti ' pulate on the part of litis state that | they will prior to thc li st d:iy ol ju ly next satisfy and discharge claims ill lav or ol the citizens ol this st.itc wiio may be authorised by the u u ted slates to demand payment at tut treasury ol this stute to the fall u mount tliat uiis state will be rt quired to pay by assuming hcr proportion ot thc direct tax resolved that the governor be requested to use hia influence to ob laii an arrangement by which claims tlue to the citizens ot this stute tor military services and lor supplies furnished by them be satisfied iu pre ference to d..y other description ul [ i'luii ohio leads the way in a dopting the advice recomnieiided to the slaub in the first resolve ct uie hartford convention congress in senate friiluy jan 20 aiter disposing ol otiicr business an-.ong which was the question as to the right of mr bledsoe to a vote which was decided in tbe negative — the senate resumed the conside ratian of the amendments to the h«u.k the question on mr bibb's mo tion tei postpone tei the riel monday in march te reject tlie further cousi del'.uion of the subject being yel un der consideration — ■ a very able aud highly interesting debate toojc plncc in the course ot which mr bibb mr taylor and mr roberts supported the affirma tive and mr giles the negative side the question vras decided at a lite hour as follows : for postponem itt — messrs an derson pibb condit gajltard how ell kerr lacock morrow roberts against postponement — messrs barbour brown chase daggett dana fromentin german giles goklsborough gore heirscy hun ter kin lambert mason robin son taiet thompson wells whur un 20 s.i the senate refused to posipono the bill on motion of mr giles the senate then determined to re cede lro,.i ns disagreements with tho house anel adjourned tne lull wants only the signature of iii pr sidcnl lo become a law j in es en a i fi mm ay j unitary 0 mr coles the j'resi.l nt's secre tary returned the bill to incuipo rate the subscribers to tin bank of the l r . st ites ol america witii tha folio v ing oil ss ige : to the senate of the v s having best vv^d oi tue bill en titled '• an a to incorporate the silise ribers o the hunk ot the u.utcd sifttesof a.iieiieu that full conside ration which is due to ihe great im porliuee oi the su jc ct anu dictated by the respect whnii i feel for the two bous s ul congress 1 am con strained by a deep ami solemn con i vie tion that the till ought u it to oc i come a law to rctui n it t > the sc n.uc i.i which ii rigmated with nay oojecitons to ... same 1 waning trie qu tion of the cm sti.u.ional autbo ty ot the legisla ture to establuh a incorjioratc.i jiti.k as being precluded in rn judgment « repeat j recognitions un ler v cl circumstances oi the validity of ch an iustitution in acts oi ins legislative executive and judical blanches ot the government a.-eoia puined by indications i.i i.itflrent modes oi a concui rence ot the ge neral will ol the nation ; the prupo scd bunk does not app -^ to be cal culated to in j ver toe i',n pose oi re viving the public crcd.t ui |. oviding a national medium ot circulation aud of aiding to treasury by tacibta ting the indupvnstble anticipations of tbe revenue md by uti iruilig to thc public more durable loans 1 the capital of thc bank is to be compounded of specie oi public stock wit.i a certain proportion of each of which every uuosci mor is to furnish himself the amount of the su>ck to be sub scribed will not it is believed lie sufficient to produce in fayor of the putilic credit any considerable or lasting elevauion oi the u net price whilst this may be occasionally tie presi-a oy tile bank itself .; it snoidd carry into the market il.e allowed proportion ot its capital consisting of uuuiic stock in o.uer to procure tpe otc wbie.li il may find u account ia prucuriug wiui some sacrifice oa that part oi its capital nor will a..y adequate advantage arise to the public credit noni tbe subscription oi i i-wury notea 1 he iickiaal isiue oi the notes near ly equals at preseut uud wdi tt excetei ihe amount lo b subacioevl to the bank thc direct effect of this operation is sim-ply to convert l.t millions cf treasuiy nuts iiito fifteen miitioua ol six per cent stoti with die col lateral effect of promoting un uldi tional demand lor iie-asu'v notes beyond what might uincrwiue be ue gotiuble public credit might i deed be ex pectetlto derive auvantuge ironi v.\s establishment of a national laanlc without regard to the iormatiou ot its capital if the lull a id co-opera tion oi the institution were secured to the government during the war and during the period ejl its fiscal embarrassments — but the bank p|*o posed will be tree from ull legal u.ji gation to co-oberate with the public measures and whatever be the pa triotic disposition of its directors to ittribute to thc removal oi tii jsc burrassments and to invigorate prosecution of the war fidelity to pecuniary und general interest of the institution according lp their es timate ol it might oblige thein to decline a connexion of their opera tions witb those eif the national trea sury timing the contiutftince of the id the diuieilitits iucid nt to it rary sacrifices ol uiteiest overbalanced by thc future iiiaiieiit profits or the chuiu-r ig rcquir.tbte ol liv.ht iu be the public might not be gra y made ; itid the bank would e full benefit uf the gii.nl he public wt.ulel lose the e i.t expected from il l'e.r it : kept in v ievv th.it ihe sole iu ult to such a graui on the par